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Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 20:51:00 - [1] Originally by: Slowboat One more point. Is ASCN fighting or not? Isn't that suposedly what you guys want? Fights? Or is it you just want people to bend over and say "You know what? Your right. BOB is uber l33t and we bow down to your greatness"? The ASCN pilots want to fight, but there FC's appear to be holding them back. For about the last week and a half, I've been receiving fairly constant requests for 1vs1 fights in PS (and I'm not the only one). Make of that what you will. P.S. Good to be on the battlefield with you again ANZA, shame it's on opposing sides.
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:17:00 - [2] Originally by: Dawn Princess All I know is, every single fleet battle I have been in against BoB has ended the same way (including tonights) - in a node crash with very fast BoB relog (no i am not saying you are causing the crashes or haxxing or anything I am just saying every single time you log back in quicker than we do for whatever reason) and me unable to log back in for the night. I just wish we could either (i) get CCP to fix it so that following node crash people log back in to a random SS to avoid all the relog gankage so we could get on with the game, or (ii) we could agree a ceasefire following a node crash so that people can log back in and we can try to get some fun without people trying to score cheap ganks - or is this not a game? It's amazing how many times this has come up since the start of this war. The reality of the situation is that BoB logs in faster because we're not worried about being ganked at a gate. We know that at the same time we click our avatar on the opening screen, the rest of BoB are doing exactly the same thing. The fact is that you have pilots waiting that extra 30 seconds, just so that they aren't first in. You have pilots waiting to hear on TS if there is a bob fleet already on the gate. To the point where in a number of recent fights, ASCN has refused to log on at all. As long as you can't trust everyone to login asap, you will never come out of that scenario on top.
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 02:10:00 - [3] Originally by: Darkstar BP We, the ASCN grunts, have seen the tactics, the spies, the attempts to bribe our people. Apparently they're not forwarding on the internal posts of ours showing ASCN members coming to us with offers of spying for us? From memory, the last one that tried it had there CEO invited into the chat, and was subsequently removed from the corp. If you don't want to believe what we have to say. Don't. But don't be so naieve as to follow without question. Think for your self, because at the moment your just towing the company line.
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.30 02:44:00 - [4] Edited by: Ab Initio on 30/10/2006 02:45:38 Originally by: Darkstar BP You follow the company line of the other 200,000 BoB posts very well. Please think for you self. You don't know me, and I don't know you. If you did, you would know that I have a large number of friends in the ASCN alliance. If there is any reason for my posts on these forums, it would be the vague hope that THEY read them and consider their position. As I said previously, believe what you want. I would rather see my friends fighting along side me, than for a leadership that puts moral boosting above the real needs of their alliance. Originally by: Darkstar BP Puzzling sentence. Wait, you couldn't be telling me that BoB leadership keeps anything from the BoB members . Only our devious leaders would do such a thing. The point was simple While accusing us of using every dirty trick in the book, someone neglected to mention that we've been making you aware of those offering to spy for us. It's not something I would expect your leadership to draw attention to. You have to admit though, the whole emphasising information relevant to the cause, while deemphasizing information that doesn't tow the company line sounds vaguely familiar?
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 00:21:00 - [5] Edited by: Ab Initio on 31/10/2006 00:25:07 Originally by: Gungankllr The question I keep asking myself, and your members, is one that keeps getting ignored. I know that my posts aren't as electrifying as some of these guys on the forums, but I'd like to think that the points are valid. If the Band of Brothers alliance is as good as they claim, why do they need all the assorted in-game and out-of game assistance when fighting us? Firstly, the "assorted assistance" you seem to mention in the rest of your post, can be broken into two seperate areas: * Counter Intelligence * Exploiting BoB do not exploit under any circumstances. Counter Intelligence on the other hand is a completely valid option. There are people in our alliance that enjoy playing this game as an operative or spy, and focus their game time on infiltration. Who are we to tell them how they can and can't play the game? I've said it before, and it's still relevant. If you honestly believe your alliance doesn't use spies, you aren't high enough in the food chain to know better.
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 02:12:00 - [6] Edited by: Ab Initio on 31/10/2006 02:13:25 Originally by: Slowboat Unfortunately you'll never be able to prove that because there is no way to prove you won't continue to use them even if you say you will stop. Once you use a tactic denying that your using it anymore won't cut it. You can believe you would beat ASCN without TS spies but you can't prove it anymore. Who would we want to prove that too? We're open about our counter intelligence initiatives. I personally think any large alliances without some form of intelligence group is missing out on an interesting part of the game. Originally by: Slowboat As to the lame tactics / exploits Gunga never accused bob of doing them so I don't know why you are getting so defensive about it in regards to his post. If someone posted "I see another Slowboat post. Damn I hate trolls", would you be offended? They didn't specifically call you a troll, but it was certainly implied.
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.31 03:27:00 - [7] Originally by: Slowboat Alright, why don't you give ASCN members free access to your TS and see if you like having them knowing your every move if you can not understand it. If ASCN can get a spy into BoB, they'll have free access to our forums and TS, no complaints from us. You'll find rather quickly though, that information dissemination in BoB, generally works under the assumption that we are already infiltrated. Good luck finding a way to use ***** requests for rash treatment suggestions to turn the tide of war :D
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.01 06:12:00 - [8] Originally by: Zaethiel Like to update the public as to whether its true or not? Love to. It isn't.
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.06 04:16:00 - [9] Originally by: Apollo Balthar Shortest SirMolle thread I can recall tbh... I think BoB may find, like the germans did in WOII fighting the Russians, that high quality units in small numbers might have a very tough time against an oponent that has loads of cannonfodder and is willing to sacrifice it. Now wait and see how the fighter tactic will hold up, actually quite a smart idea if the focus of your aliance lies in industrial activities... (no clue whatsoever if it is actually worthwhile, just think it is clever) To remain unbiased, it seems BoB is fighting skillfull as ever. While I do agree with you on the fact that using fighters is a good idea if you have the industrial backbone to support it, let me give you an example of the kind of numbers we are talking about here. Over the period of a couple of hours a week or two ago, we killed 50 - 60 fighters (estimated) for the loss of a single dictor. Thats 1.2bill isk / minerals, however you look at it. Fighters are extremely easy to kill, and don't have the AI to tell them to use transversal, or any of the other techniques you can teach your actual pilots. The fact that ASCN has resorted to fighter bombing in T1 frigs, instead of improving their overall skill when it comes to fighting, is a step in the wrong direction. Now is when you need to be improving most, and instead a strategy has been devised that looses you billions in resources while gaining you no experience at all. In my opinion (however little that means), it is possibly the worst decision to date. HC have moved from starving there pilots of experience by blaming external influences for all shortcomings, to replacing them with NPC fleets.

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